1 00:00:03,710 --> 00:00:02,270 I'm a student 2 00:00:04,749 --> 00:00:03,720 freshman up at Northern Illinois 3 00:00:10,089 --> 00:00:04,759 University 4 00:00:13,249 --> 00:00:10,099 1971 October it was a clear beautiful 5 00:00:16,849 --> 00:00:13,259 day with a couple of clouds in the sky I 6 00:00:19,370 --> 00:00:16,859 was on my way over to my Southeast Asian 7 00:00:22,849 --> 00:00:19,380 political systems class and I was taking 8 00:00:26,269 --> 00:00:22,859 a bus from the dormitory and I was 9 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:26,279 around 11 A.M and I noticed a 10 00:00:31,669 --> 00:00:28,800 a strange object above the Student Union 11 00:00:32,630 --> 00:00:31,679 building which is about a 12-story 12 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:32,640 building 13 00:00:37,370 --> 00:00:35,340 and it was like an aircraft without a 14 00:00:40,369 --> 00:00:37,380 fuse slash and it was just suspended 15 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:40,379 above the building and it looked uh 16 00:00:45,590 --> 00:00:44,100 great non-reflective uh in coloration it 17 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:45,600 kind of truncated 18 00:00:51,590 --> 00:00:48,780 at one end it was probably the twice the 19 00:00:54,529 --> 00:00:51,600 size of a normal commercial airliner 20 00:00:57,709 --> 00:00:54,539 and what was interesting about it was it 21 00:01:01,250 --> 00:00:57,719 was it just suspended there and it was 22 00:01:03,770 --> 00:01:01,260 like the gray color in the stealth type 23 00:01:06,350 --> 00:01:03,780 craft that you see today 24 00:01:08,149 --> 00:01:06,360 and what was interesting was that there 25 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:08,159 were a lot of people who saw it but most 26 00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:10,080 people seemed to ignore it and just 27 00:01:15,710 --> 00:01:13,200 continue about their business and that 28 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:15,720 was my first experience then I had a 29 00:01:21,950 --> 00:01:20,100 period of about two hours missing time a 30 00:01:25,130 --> 00:01:21,960 couple of weeks later 31 00:01:27,649 --> 00:01:25,140 I had a friend who has an art gallery 32 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:27,659 and we were supposed to have a meeting 33 00:01:35,210 --> 00:01:30,420 that afternoon and I was up in my fifth 34 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:35,220 floor dorm Stevenson South 35 00:01:41,390 --> 00:01:37,860 and uh 36 00:01:43,969 --> 00:01:41,400 he claims that he telephone me from the 37 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:43,979 lobby downstairs continuously for over 38 00:01:47,390 --> 00:01:45,180 an hour 39 00:01:50,929 --> 00:01:47,400 and that there was no response from my 40 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:50,939 room and that all I remember is that I 41 00:01:56,090 --> 00:01:53,460 was looking out the window out over the 42 00:01:59,330 --> 00:01:56,100 campus and it was slightly overcast out 43 00:02:01,429 --> 00:01:59,340 and I realized well that time has gone 44 00:02:03,789 --> 00:02:01,439 by but at first it seemed like about 15 45 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:03,799 minutes and I wondered what happened to 46 00:02:11,990 --> 00:02:08,720 the guy who was meeting me for a lunch 47 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:12,000 and so I tried to call him 48 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:15,480 and he had left and told me he had tried 49 00:02:24,050 --> 00:02:19,140 to contact me and assumed I wasn't there 50 00:02:30,350 --> 00:02:26,710 and I had another experience 51 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:30,360 I have a friend who is a working in the 52 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:32,940 physics section of the uh Library 53 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:35,340 Northern Illinois University 54 00:02:39,949 --> 00:02:37,500 and he wanted to show me the lightning 55 00:02:41,869 --> 00:02:39,959 bugs out over the corn fields and the 56 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:41,879 stars in the sky he thought it was the 57 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:42,920 most beautiful 58 00:02:49,729 --> 00:02:46,080 site and we drove out down this Farm 59 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:49,739 Road and there are these fireflies and 60 00:02:54,830 --> 00:02:51,239 it's incredible 61 00:02:57,290 --> 00:02:54,840 and we're heading back towards town and 62 00:02:59,509 --> 00:02:57,300 we're by this huge oak tree and all of a 63 00:03:02,530 --> 00:02:59,519 sudden a large ball of white light 64 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:02,540 with a 100 foot tail comes by 65 00:03:07,610 --> 00:03:05,760 soundlessly uh he loses control of the 66 00:03:10,550 --> 00:03:07,620 Volkswagen that he's driving we go into 67 00:03:12,170 --> 00:03:10,560 a ditch the thing disappears about three 68 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:12,180 feet above the ground in front of our 69 00:03:16,009 --> 00:03:13,200 car 70 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:16,019 and there's no no sound no nothing we go 71 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:18,000 back to town we're not hurt 72 00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:19,800 we thought for sure this is about the 73 00:03:24,050 --> 00:03:21,959 time that the kuhotek comet was supposed 74 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:24,060 to be coming through 75 00:03:27,770 --> 00:03:26,040 and which they had been reporting the 76 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:27,780 press and we thought well maybe there's 77 00:03:31,610 --> 00:03:29,400 some connection to what we saw and it'll 78 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:31,620 be on the news that evening we came back 79 00:03:35,390 --> 00:03:33,840 there was no mention whatsoever of any 80 00:03:37,430 --> 00:03:35,400 large object appearing over the 81 00:03:39,470 --> 00:03:37,440 cornfields of DeKalb 82 00:03:42,649 --> 00:03:39,480 and so we just talked about this among 83 00:03:44,630 --> 00:03:42,659 ourselves and uh okay that's one 84 00:03:48,289 --> 00:03:44,640 incident let's see two incidents the 85 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:48,299 third incident uh slow moving red and 86 00:03:53,809 --> 00:03:51,780 orange Fireball going about 25 miles per 87 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:53,819 hour over the Treetops near the 88 00:03:58,570 --> 00:03:56,580 dormitory towards downtown DeKalb 89 00:04:01,210 --> 00:03:58,580 towards an old deserted Park 90 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:01,220 this object seemed to have like an 91 00:04:08,509 --> 00:04:04,980 underlining flame sort of like a plasma 92 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:08,519 I was with two other girls one of my 93 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:10,980 roommates said to me Valerie did you see 94 00:04:14,509 --> 00:04:13,019 that and I looked up and I saw the same 95 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:14,519 thing she saw there were three of us 96 00:04:20,750 --> 00:04:17,940 that witnessed that we did not report 97 00:04:23,210 --> 00:04:20,760 any of this because back in 71 nobody 98 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:23,220 reported anything but I was not 99 00:04:31,430 --> 00:04:27,440 interested in UFOs I was interested in 100 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:31,440 politics I was going to a meeting 101 00:04:37,969 --> 00:04:34,560 of Libertarians I was involved in the 102 00:04:40,430 --> 00:04:37,979 libertarian party and was interested in 103 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:40,440 let's say fair capitalism and the gold 104 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:43,380 standard and I had other interests and I 105 00:04:48,469 --> 00:04:46,380 couldn't care less about UFOs because it 106 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:48,479 kind of intruded into my personal life 107 00:04:52,850 --> 00:04:50,880 uh 108 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:52,860 and I would say there was dramatic 109 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:54,660 change in my life after this I was 110 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:56,840 working for a publishing company off 111 00:05:02,870 --> 00:04:59,759 campus and they published a television 112 00:05:05,210 --> 00:05:02,880 guide and I was doing the proof reading 113 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:05,220 uh and I did it for a science program 114 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:07,380 that they were 115 00:05:12,590 --> 00:05:10,500 putting in the digest and they had two 116 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:12,600 photographs an eight two eight by tens 117 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:15,600 one of a galaxy and one of a micro uh 118 00:05:21,350 --> 00:05:18,180 microbe and I asked him if I could have 119 00:05:22,909 --> 00:05:21,360 all the science uh photos and they said 120 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:22,919 sure you can have them so I put them in 121 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:25,800 a manila envelope and I went down to 122 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:29,520 this restaurant uh downtown DeKalb and 123 00:05:34,189 --> 00:05:31,320 this man came in 124 00:05:37,730 --> 00:05:34,199 and he was about in his 50s 125 00:05:40,129 --> 00:05:37,740 and he came in the waitress seated him 126 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:40,139 across from me and he started talking to 127 00:05:44,749 --> 00:05:42,660 me in a friendly conversation and he 128 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:44,759 knew everything about me and he knew I 129 00:05:48,409 --> 00:05:46,440 was an artist he knew what my interests 130 00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:48,419 were he knew my family he knew things 131 00:05:52,129 --> 00:05:49,919 that were personal which he shouldn't 132 00:05:54,590 --> 00:05:52,139 have no business knowing at all 133 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:54,600 and he said he was a businessman from 134 00:05:58,790 --> 00:05:56,280 Sycamore and if I'd be interested in 135 00:06:01,249 --> 00:05:58,800 painting uh the brick brick in his 136 00:06:04,029 --> 00:06:01,259 living room in his Victorian house 137 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:04,039 so I said well I was looking for work 138 00:06:08,629 --> 00:06:06,960 and I said I would be interested so we 139 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:08,639 arranged for a meeting 140 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:12,060 and he came in a Black Limousine picked 141 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:13,740 me up at the house where I was staying 142 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:16,320 he had a tape recorder in his car put a 143 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:18,660 tape in the tape said he was an 144 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:21,360 extraterrestrial on a type Peace Corps 145 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:24,960 type situation and he was recruiting 146 00:06:30,770 --> 00:06:28,080 and he wanted me to work for him to 147 00:06:35,629 --> 00:06:30,780 manage a gift shop in Sycamore 148 00:06:37,309 --> 00:06:35,639 and I was a bit incredulous but no this 149 00:06:41,930 --> 00:06:37,319 man was very strange he knew too much 150 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:43,909 but it was all connected in that time 151 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:45,780 frame with the UFO sightings I had had 152 00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:48,060 he knew about the sightings 153 00:06:54,469 --> 00:06:52,080 so either he was truly on someone of an 154 00:06:56,210 --> 00:06:54,479 extraterrestrial origin or he was a 155 00:06:58,490 --> 00:06:56,220 government agent like he could have been 156 00:07:01,850 --> 00:06:58,500 CIA recruiting I don't know 157 00:07:04,670 --> 00:07:01,860 except that I I was 21 and I thought it 158 00:07:05,870 --> 00:07:04,680 was a little bizarre 159 00:07:09,290 --> 00:07:05,880 so 160 00:07:11,629 --> 00:07:09,300 um I packed up I decided to leave town 161 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:11,639 now tell anyone where I'm going 162 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:14,400 and I had accepted a job at an art 163 00:07:17,930 --> 00:07:16,319 gallery in Houston I hopped in the 164 00:07:19,610 --> 00:07:17,940 Greyhound bus I didn't tell my family 165 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:19,620 where I was going went down to Houston 166 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:22,800 Texas got to Houston Texas uh was at the 167 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:25,500 art gallery the manager's son came in 168 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:27,360 one afternoon and said there was a UFO 169 00:07:31,249 --> 00:07:29,520 over the art gallery 170 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:31,259 and 171 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:33,599 I didn't see that but that we had not 172 00:07:38,089 --> 00:07:35,639 discussed this either I had told him 173 00:07:40,070 --> 00:07:38,099 anything about my experiences back in 174 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:40,080 Illinois 175 00:07:44,870 --> 00:07:42,240 I decided to go for a walk one afternoon 176 00:07:52,189 --> 00:07:44,880 I went over to this bookstore down by 177 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:55,129 told me about a man who was a scientist 178 00:08:00,050 --> 00:07:57,780 who was with a corporation who was 179 00:08:01,969 --> 00:08:00,060 looking for an artist to do the logos 180 00:08:05,330 --> 00:08:01,979 for the corporation 181 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:05,340 and she also knew I was having a 182 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:07,440 terrible time with this uh 183 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:10,080 art gallery and she offered me a place 184 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:11,580 to stay so I moved out of the art 185 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:14,220 gallery got away from them 186 00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:16,620 and she introduced me to the magnetic 187 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:19,979 energy corporation in Houston Texas and 188 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:22,860 this one man was a scientist and an 189 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:25,680 artist in an inventor 190 00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:29,340 and he his name was Ashton Moshell 191 00:08:33,469 --> 00:08:31,500 and he had two birth certificates one 192 00:08:35,089 --> 00:08:33,479 German one American 193 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:35,099 and I went out with him a couple of 194 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:37,260 times I agreed to do the the corporate 195 00:08:41,149 --> 00:08:39,240 seals and have copies of these seals 196 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:41,159 that I did and they paid me for them but 197 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:43,919 in the interim I had an unusual 198 00:08:50,210 --> 00:08:47,279 experience with him because he also had 199 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:50,220 a record which had the same 200 00:08:56,389 --> 00:08:53,220 uh message on it that the man in Dekalb 201 00:08:59,570 --> 00:08:56,399 I met whose name was Jeremiah Van Kirk 202 00:09:02,650 --> 00:08:59,580 uh Ashton Moshell had exact same message 203 00:09:04,970 --> 00:09:02,660 on this record that he was working with 204 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:04,980 extraterrestrials on magnetic engines 205 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:07,680 for spacecraft and was in communication 206 00:09:12,350 --> 00:09:10,740 with 100 scientists 207 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:12,360 and um 208 00:09:16,370 --> 00:09:14,940 the location for his project is going to 209 00:09:19,009 --> 00:09:16,380 what's going to be the exact location 210 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:19,019 where they had the superconducting super 211 00:09:23,750 --> 00:09:22,380 collider slated for which I found really 212 00:09:25,550 --> 00:09:23,760 unusual because I didn't know this until 213 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:25,560 like 20 years later I'm a logical 214 00:09:29,690 --> 00:09:27,480 Viewpoint they say it's impossible 215 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:29,700 because of large distances involved 216 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:32,180 except if there are wormholes and 217 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:34,920 terrors in time and like Bob Lazar said 218 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:37,320 you can bend and stretch space 219 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,500 in the time continuum then it would be 220 00:09:45,829 --> 00:09:42,720 feasible for people to travel from other 221 00:09:48,350 --> 00:09:45,839 galaxies and other planets and systems 222 00:09:49,910 --> 00:09:48,360 and there are billions of star systems 223 00:09:52,790 --> 00:09:49,920 and so if there are billions of star 224 00:09:55,009 --> 00:09:52,800 systems there must be billions of suns 225 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:55,019 and there must be billions of planets so 226 00:09:58,670 --> 00:09:56,240 uh 227 00:10:01,490 --> 00:09:58,680 mathematically speaking the odds are in 228 00:10:02,829 --> 00:10:01,500 favor of intelligent life and I 229 00:10:05,329 --> 00:10:02,839 personally feel they probably 230 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:05,339 intermingled with us in past 231 00:10:11,150 --> 00:10:08,760 civilizations previously and there have 232 00:10:12,889 --> 00:10:11,160 been encounters and they could possibly 233 00:10:14,829 --> 00:10:12,899 for all we know have some kind of 234 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:14,839 arrangement 235 00:10:19,790 --> 00:10:17,160 trade-wise or 236 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:19,800 in other respects I don't know it could 237 00:10:27,170 --> 00:10:23,480 be multiple interests it could be purely 238 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:27,180 mercenary so self-serving 239 00:10:32,690 --> 00:10:30,060 it could be trade it could they could 240 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:32,700 need our resources such as our water 241 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:36,480 it could be for educational purposes 242 00:10:40,430 --> 00:10:39,480 it could be exploitive 243 00:10:42,710 --> 00:10:40,440 um 244 00:10:45,050 --> 00:10:42,720 just as there are different types of 245 00:10:48,069 --> 00:10:45,060 governments on this planet and different 246 00:10:52,490 --> 00:10:48,079 types of people it could be anything